Relationships

Submitted by cupienda on Mon, 2006-02-20 12:13.

While most freethinkers are tolerant of other's viewpoints and belief systems, the prospect of being intimately/romantically involved with a theist is often repellent. We often feel that there are such fundamental differences between a person with an atheistic perspective and one with god-beliefs that it would be unfulfilling and fraught with problems.

This hurdle has probably faced many of you, and, as always, there are various ultimate outcomes. One man I knew became involved with a woman who assured him that his lack of faith would not be a problem for her-- only to try to convert him later. Another couple I know have no difficulties navigating his lack of belief and her Jewish leanings.

Some religious people have issues partnering with people of a different faith; to become involved with someone of no faith whatsoever is nigh unthinkable. Sometimes it's a make-or-break deal.

This is not a discussion we secularists engage in often, usually pursuing topics such as church/state separation, creationism, civil rights, and many other educational topics. Freethinkers tend toward the rational end of the spectrum, and talk of emotions or relationships with people isn't always high on the list of priorities. To be sure, there is some awareness on this level-- non-religious unions presided over by Humanistic Celebrants, as an example.

At my student group, Campus Atheists and Secular Humanists (CASH) at the University of Minnesota, we've had a number of discussion sections over the years that addressed familial issues with respect to atheism ("Coming out as an atheist"), but never one specifically devoted to partnerships. So, that's what we're doing this week.

Since you will not likely be able to attend our meeting this week (although I'm sure you'd like to!), I wanted to start this discussion here. Have you dealt with these issues in your personal relationships? Have you made it work with a believer? Is it a non-issue to you? Is it a deal-breaker?

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Submitted by profibadan on Mon, 2006-02-20 15:31.

I think freethinkers and humanists the world over are facing the challenges of relatioship particularly in relations to dating. For instance in Africa the affirmation of your atheism is enough to render you single for the rest of your life. I only wish to suggest that a sort of dating site or have SSA include a chat facility and a dating page on its site so that humanist or register members of any secularist organization can be admitted because it is only people of like minds that can happily relate together.
I think i am making some sense
Peter Adegoke Nigeria

Submitted by august on Mon, 2006-02-20 17:30.

www.secularity.com is an atheist dating site. I don't know if they work outside of North America or not.

Submitted by august on Mon, 2006-02-20 17:26.
Students for Freethought at Ohio State did a dating and romance discussion meeting a while back. They happened to save the questions.

Here are the questions:

Note: If you think any question on here is too personal, don’t be afraid to say so.

1.What do you think of Valentine’s Day? Do you think it is a commercial ploy to get people to buy chocolate and flowers? Do you think it has redeeming features? Does it make your blood run cold?

2.Could you date someone who has different religious beliefs than you? If so, how much different?

3.Do you think men and women interface with relationships differently? Discuss these differences, if you think there are any.

4.Do you think that society places too much emphasis on having a mate? Is there virtue to being happy with your own company?

5.You’re planning your wedding and you know that your parents/family want you to have a traditional religious ceremony. Do you go ahead with their wishes or do you do what you want? Would you try to reach some kind of compromise?

6.If you had to choose one quality that a relationship has to have (i.e. mutual interests, sexual compatibility, honesty, etc.) to work, what would you choose?

7.What does the phrase “true love” mean to you? Do you believe in “true love”?

8.If you were to have kids, in what religious belief system would you want to raise them? How would this change if your partner was of a different religion than you?

9.On a trip abroad, you slipped and ended up having a one-night stand with a person you will very likely never see again. Would you tell your partner when you returned?

10.What do you think of open relationships? Could you see yourself in one? Is monogmy an out-dated social construct? Do you find redeeming features in it?
Submitted by cupienda on Tue, 2006-02-21 17:23.

Thank you, August!

I think that having a questionnaire of that sort will be a great way to get people started in on the discussion. I'm so glad you brought it to my attention!

Do you have any idea of how Ohio's discussion went?

Jenny Belle Werness
Campus Atheists and Secular Humanists
www.cashumn.org
jbwerness@tcq.net